to see you, chris. former senator chuck hagel, of course, just nominated for secretary of defense, he would be part of this pull-out. he's a guy that was not in favor of the troop surge, has a controversial side to him in that regard. what do we expect from him? >> reporter: basically, michael, wasn't in favor of the surge in iraq, not quite so critical of the surge in afghanistan. it's a big difference. on the surge in iraq, he called it one of the biggest foren policy blunders since vietnam. chuck hagel was part of the planning for the afghanistan surge under president obama. he consulted with the president's national security adviser and when he gave a speech shortly after that surge was announced didn't have much criticism for president obama, said he was approaching the situation very carefully. so that suggests that his position may be a lot more aligned with president obama on afghanistan than it was during the later years of president bush. >> yeah. president karzai, meeting him, he wants u.s. security personnel to stick around after 2014, that's going happen, but he's highly